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I couldn't see her any more.
I couldn't see the...

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..things that made her HER.

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They want to switch off her
machines,

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and we want to keep them on.

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They say she's in a lot of pain!
She is still your child!

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So you just left her and me?

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That makes it
sound like I abandoned you.

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Yeah, cos you did.

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However you feel about what your
parents are doing, it's not about

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picking sides.
Of course it is.

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We believe we can suggest a bias in
the treatment Marnie has received

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from Samantha Woodham.

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She perforated an artery.

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It sounds pretty deadly to me.

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Marnie, she's complicated.

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But... you know, she's, er,
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I really miss you.

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Do you think you'll win, Nicci?
Any change in her condition?

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Can I just go and see my daughter?

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Can't we do better than this?

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This programme contains some strong language and
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BABY GURGLES.

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Yeah! You like that, do you?

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HE CHUCKLES.

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Hey.

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She finds wallpaper funny.

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Does she? Are you sure that's OK?

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The steam and...
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Yeah? Yeah.

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Should have probably done
it before she got here.

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She loves it.

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Look at that smile.
I was thinking maybe a picnic.

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Ah, it's a bit cold.

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We'll wrap up.

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You going to make sandwiches?

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I'm not going to make sandwiches,
sexist!

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We'll buy sandwiches. Ah.

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I'll get you a sausage roll
if you're lucky.

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THEY LAUGH.

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BABY GURGLES
Ah! She finds that funny too.

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Oh, no, no! Ah!

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RADIO: ..factors at play

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when the life of a young
child is at stake.

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this makes the front page

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on nearly every single...

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ANDREW SIGHS.

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Ready?

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Yeah.

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It's going to be OK.
Yeah, yeah.

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Mint?
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You need a mint, mate.

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You keep them.

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Nicci! Nicci! Nicci! Nicci!

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REPORTERS CLAMOUR.

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We're just going to go straight in,
thank you very much.

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Yeah. OK.

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A rundown of who's here.

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Francesca Camara, representing the
hospital and Dr Samantha Woodham.

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She's very good.
Beatrice Shrigley, working with.

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Greg Richardson and the Children
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Representing Marnie.
Yeah, we met Mr Richardson.

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Good lawyers, but so are we.

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We're going to save Marnie's life,
Mrs Lloyd.

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We're going to do something
special here today.

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How long have you been Marnie's
paediatric consultant?

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I have observed Marnie in PICU
for close to seven years.

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She's a patient I know very well.

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And will you tell us what you think
the best treatment is for her now?

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we should stop all treatments.

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I believe the life-sustaining
treatments we are currently

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giving are causing her to suffer
without any prospect of helping her.

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How would you describe Marnie's
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She will never,
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leave ventilated breathing support.

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She shows little response to stimuli

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and her brain scans show
irreversible damage.

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So her conscious experience?

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right now, she has very little,
if any, conscious experience.

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No further questions.

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How many children have you
treated like Marnie?

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No case is alike, but I have treated

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How many end up in a situation
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treatment can no
longer be of use?

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I couldn't tell you that exactly.

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How many have died in your care?

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Six.

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similar to what we've seen

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with Marnie?

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No cases are alike. And Marnie's
specific condition is unique.

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In fact, as you say,
it is as yet undiagnosed.

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As happens frequently with
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But as it is undiagnosed,
how can you be 100% sure that

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continuing treatment is futile?

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I am as certain as I can be.

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And if I were to tell you

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that there are doctors who believe
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another complicated area, is it not?

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Have there been examples,

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to your knowledge, of children with
severe brain damage who recover?

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I do not believe it is likely
there will be any

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Of course, you must have
your beliefs.

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Let us discuss pain.

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Ventilation itself isn't painful,
is it?

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No, but suctioning is
very unpleasant.

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And how often does that happen?

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And if Marnie has very little,
if any, conscious experience,

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in your opinion,
how would she feel pain

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in these isolated
suctioning incidents?

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There are autonomic
responses from Marnie

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You cannot have it both ways,
Dr Woodham.

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Either she doesn't have
a conscious experience,

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in which case she isn't in pain,
or she does.

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You're wrong.

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from spasms to

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changing heart rates, which do
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experience is extremely limited,
her pain response is still there.

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Let me take you back to
2016, if that's OK?

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May 24th.

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Marnie presented with an infection.

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Yes. Um, I would need
to consult my notes.

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You had to put in a
central venous catheter.

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A central line.

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Yes. And it went wrong.

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Which led to distal ischemia.
Yes.

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You needed to call in a vascular
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This incident was referred up to the
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to be an unfortunate complication of
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"Competently performed"?

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How can something be
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when it almost leads to ischemia?

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That is what they concluded.

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We are human beings.

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And... I am sorry it happened...

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damage to Marnie in the long term.

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What do you know of unconscious
bias in the medical profession?

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Well, it's something that we're
all concerned with.

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A doctor in a raft is told only
seven people can

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He has to make a decision as to
who to save.

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He or she. I do beg your pardon,
Dr Woodham.

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How does he or she
make the judgment?

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We do not ration care
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You're denying that during Covid
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for disabled people?
There was a prioritisation.

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Who do you prioritise?

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Now, we happen to have
some correspondence

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at very late notice.

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My Lady!

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I apologise enormously, My Lady.
It was this morning.

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I emailed the court as soon as
I received it.

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I received no email.

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Do you have copies for the others?
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My Lady, we have no means
of verifying this document.

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We can ask the witness.

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Did this email come from you?

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How did you get this?

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Yes.

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Then I'll allow it.

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This is a correspondence between
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how to move people out of PICU in
preparation for the Covid outbreak.

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Dated February 2020.

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They ask you what they should do
about bed 16 and you reply,

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"Bed 16 shouldn't be there,

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"the parents have been clinging to
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I was expressing a medical opinion.

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I... regret how it sounds.

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Do you believe that sometimes, for
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thing to do is to let them die?

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That was another child
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It was a busy time.

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Lots of people to save?

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Yes.

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How irritating, then, to have a bed

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taken up with this disabled child
which determined parents

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are there to protect.

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is important.

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But sometimes, as doctors, we're
unable to preserve a meaningful

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life, and in that case it is cruel
to prolong the dying process

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with treatments that
do not benefit them.

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good medical practice guidelines,

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as laid out by the GMC?

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My Lady!

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Mr Frederick, your questioning
here is inappropriate,

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as I believe you're well aware.

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Mm.

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Marnie is in pain.

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She's unable to communicate,

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and I am no longer helping her.

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I am just prolonging her death.

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When the other doctors decided
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in perforating Marnie's artery

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and almost leaving her with
another disability,

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on what grounds did they do so?

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Sorry?

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On what grounds did they make
their judgment on you?

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They gave you the benefit
of the doubt, Dr Woodham.

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Just as you have failed to give
Marnie the benefit of the doubt.

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No. In fact, and instead,
what Marnie has faced

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and her little life are taking up
space in your precious PICU.

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No.

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I am sorry that you're
getting emotional.

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That was not my intention.

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She is my patient and I have always
given her the finest care.

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In your opinion.

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No further questions.

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You doing OK?

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Great.

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You've had no further trouble?

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I'm fine.

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I'm sure it feels like that.

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PHONE BUZZES.

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Hey.

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Hey there.

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Mind if I...?

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Uh, no. Not at all.

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Is it allowed?

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It's allowed.

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Honestly? Yeah.

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Horribly.

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These things are usually...

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..not collegiate, but there's
a certain level of respect.

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However this turns out,
look after yourself, OK?

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Sorry?

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On the tie. It's just an egg stain.

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I know what drinking looks like.

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I know what drinking smells like.

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Have you got any lunch?

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Is, no.

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OK. I can get some more.

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You can, and you will.

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My favourite flavour.
Cheese and onion.

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My favourite. Good.

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Mr Lloyd.

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Would you consent to a few
questions from me?

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- CLEARS THROAT

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I've nothing to hide.
Thank you.

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Your wife gave up her job
when Marnie was diagnosed?

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And I'm very grateful for that.

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Rather she kept herself
focused on Marnie.

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very understanding.

261
00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,039
You kept working?

262
00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,239
Yes. Uh, we needed the money.

263
00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,279
Do you remember who was earning
more when Marnie was born?

264
00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,879
Your wife or yourself?

265
00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,999
He, she was.

266
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,639
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have been for you to give up

267
00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,280
your job and for your
wife to keep on going.

268
00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,479
You're right.

269
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,440
Can you explain why, then, you were
the one to keep your job?

270
00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,159
To be honest,
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271
00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,199
What sort of hours do you work,
Mr Lloyd?

272
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,359
9.30 till 6.00 most days.

273
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,999
And your business, accountancy,
has grown since Marnie was born?

274
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,199
Yes.

275
00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,920
So, occasionally you have meetings
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276
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I... have always... um...

277
00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,399
..have made a lot of time
for my family.

278
00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,919
So any suggestion you've buried
yourself in work...

279
00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,199
My Lady! I am not here to represent
Mr Lloyd, but as he's

280
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unused to the court situation,

281
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,559
I do feel obliged to say
these questions do feel

282
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,399
unnecessarily intrusive.

283
00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,840
Agreed.

284
00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,760
Would you consider yourself
a good father, Andrew?

285
00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,719
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286
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,479
I don't believe this
line of questioning is fruitful.

287
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,239
I'm not going to be helped by
intrusive questions of Mr Lloyd.

288
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,839
If you have any questions
about Marnie's quality of life,

289
00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,279
please ask them.
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290
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,919
I'm not looking to be intrusive,
just drawing a picture

291
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,239
as to the family dynamic,
so as to

292
00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,719
get a... a better sense of who might
best represent Marnie's interests.

293
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,439
Mr Frederick, I have no doubt that
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294
00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,959
firmly believes that they are

295
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,680
putting Marnie's best interests
first. It's not a competition.

296
00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,759
Parenting a child with Marnie's
needs must be extremely trying.

297
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,359
There are difficulties but, er...

298
00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,879
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299
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,279
She's a beautiful girl.

300
00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,960
Has the pressure ever
overwhelmed you?

301
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,359
Frequently.

302
00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,039
There have been moments

303
00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,519
when you have made mistakes looking
after her, haven't there?

304
00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,039
<font color="
with her temperature rising

305
00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,840
while you were in
your garden, drinking.

306
00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,039
Um... I had...

307
00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,079
I had a couple of beers, sure,

308
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,039
but I had the monitor with me
and I couldn't anticipate...

309
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,200
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310
00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,640
I... Um...

311
00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,559
Perhaps four or five.

312
00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,440
Were there drugs involved?

313
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,519
Maybe I'd smoked some weed.
I do occasionally.

314
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,239
It doesn't impact my judgment.

315
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,199
To be clear, at that moment
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316
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,999
I...

317
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,680
I think we've both made mistakes,
haven't we, Nicci?

318
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,359
Is this another mistake, Mr Lloyd?

319
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,799
You're aware that if you do this,
there is no coming back?

320
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,839
Am I aware that my daughter
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321
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,880
Yes. I'm... aware of that.

322
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,640
I don't want to make
this decision. I...

323
00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,960
I just... um...

324
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,640
I feel obliged to.

325
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,440
No further questions.

326
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,199
Where does that obligation
come from?

327
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,160
<font color="
make that decision?

328
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,040
I looked at her and, um...

329
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,480
..I, um...

330
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:38,239
It's a difficult thing,
watching your child in pain,

331
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,959
especially when you believe
she won't get better.

332
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,599
<font color="
of no medical training.

333
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,679
But I have studied. My wife and I
both have. We're specialists.

334
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,679
You know, I believe one thing
and she believes another, and

335
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,720
I believe that hers is on the basis
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336
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,480
The obligation comes from love.

337
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,159
And if that doesn't sound...

338
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,480
Well, look, I don't really care how
it sounds.

339
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,040
No further questions.

340
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,359
Uh, I'm going to catch
the bus home, OK?

341
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:32,519
<font color="
give us a lift.

342
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,319
Er, yeah, I'm going to catch
the bus.

343
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,359
Just need some space.

344
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,040
OK.

345
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,999
I'm so sorry this is
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346
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,079
I'm just pleased to finally be
getting to talk to you.

347
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,200
I think I can help you.

348
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,079
Great.

349
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,959
So, what's your opinion on what's
best now, for Marnie?

350
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,159
Marnie needs time.
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351
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,119
whether any recovery from the
hypoxic brain damage is possible.

352
00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:18,159
We need to see what treatment might
be best for her condition.

353
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,599
So, I say we give her that time
and get her tracheostomised

354
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,000
and supported.

355
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,159
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356
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,559
I can't tell you how good it feels
to hear a doctor say it.

357
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,879
Medicine's an observational sport.

358
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,999
Too many give up on that
observation too quickly.

359
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,159
There are many that believe that
risdiplam might have

360
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,599
<font color="
of neuromuscular disorders.

361
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,199
Yeah, I said...
I said the same.

362
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,839
And the important thing
from the court's perspective is not

363
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,240
that such a thing is probable,
but that it's possible.

364
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,559
<font color="
with children like Marnie?

365
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,879
Mrs Lloyd, I've had success
with all kinds of children

366
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,680
that medical science
would otherwise have discarded.

367
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,239
What's in the picnic basket?

368
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600
I don't know yet,
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369
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,680
Got it.

370
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,400
CAR ENGINE STARTS.

371
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,639
You look like a fucking statue.

372
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,279
Yeah.

373
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,560
You want to talk about it?

374
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,920
I had...

375
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,199
I had thoughts.
I had thoughts things...

376
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,800
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377
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,399
I had those thoughts.

378
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,120
Of course you did. You knew
how hard it was with me.

379
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,599
No. That's not true.

380
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,200
I loved being your big brother.

381
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,160
I quite liked being
your little brother.

382
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,200
<font color="
by Suede.

383
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,919
Dance with me.

384
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,239
No! Come on. Dance with me.

385
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,360
Fuck off! No, dance with me.
Come on.

386
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,479
♪ Like his dad,
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387
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,839
♪ Animal nitrate in mind

388
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,759
♪ Oh, in your council home
he jumped on your bones

389
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,999
♪ Now you're taking it
time after time

390
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,600
♪ Oh, it turns you on, on... ♪

391
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,840
SIREN WAILS.

392
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,479
I'm guessing you'll
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393
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,479
Thanks, yeah.

394
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,840
I'll bring you in
a cup of tea at seven.

395
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,040
Once upon a time...

396
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,480
..there was a button...

397
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,480
..called Little Button...

398
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,840
..and she lived with her mum...

399
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,719
..Mummy Hat...

400
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,240
<font color="

401
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,480
..and her sister...

402
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320
..Sister Shoe...

403
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,600
..in a room above a factory.

404
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,800
One day...

405
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,520
One day she went to the beach...

406
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,160
..and she...

407
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,240
SHE CRIES.

408
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,040
You wait there, OK, sweetheart?

409
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,439
<font color="
I'll finish it off.

410
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,439
I've got this.

411
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,880
You take your time and then, er,
then we'll climb up the hill, OK?

412
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,119
I'm sorry. It's all right, darling.
It's all right. It's all right.

413
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,319
Hello! Hello, sweetheart!

414
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,880
<font color="

415
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,679
You know, I've even got
a story about Sister Shoes.

416
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,519
I have.

417
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,000
It's OK.

418
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,239
Could you explain to us
why the doctors are wrong?

419
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,719
Marnie has a congenital
muscular dystrophy.

420
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,279
<font color="
been diagnosed,

421
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,839
it's hard to diagnose,
and therefore hard to treat,

422
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,479
but I believe that
treatments are possible.

423
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,679
For instance,
an experimental treatment

424
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,759
called risdiplam
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425
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,199
My Lady, that drug

426
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,999
is not licensed for use by NICE,
the FDA, or the EMA

427
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,279
for Marnie's condition.

428
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,479
Er, right now it isn't,
but drug use changes

429
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,719
all the time.

430
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,199
<font color="
treatments might work.

431
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,919
I agree. Please refrain
from guesswork, Dr Pankerman.

432
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,439
We're here to establish facts.

433
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,039
My point is not that a cure
is available,

434
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,919
my point is that it
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435
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,399
We will investigate
and make cases for treatments.

436
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,400
And while we do so,
we'll keep Marnie alive.

437
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,880
No further questions.

438
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,959
Talk me through your qualifications
in PICU.

439
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,599
15 years qualified.

440
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,519
<font color="
that works mainly in neurology.

441
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,159
Sorry, you misunderstand me.

442
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,559
I know it's another country's
medical system, so it's complicated,

443
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,679
but paediatric medicine,
what is your specialism there?

444
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,199
Unlike Dr Woodham, who is
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445
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,879
I work with all ages.

446
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,559
I can understand the brain.

447
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,319
Have you examined Marnie's brain?

448
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,359
I haven't been to examine
her face-to-face

449
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,919
but I have looked at the scans.

450
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,239
So this is just an opinion
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451
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,599
Your medical system has prevented me
from examining Marnie.

452
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,199
As such, my opinion is provisional.

453
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,240
It is far from categoric but I do
think the possibility exists.

454
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,799
To be clear to the court, a second
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455
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,399
The consultant asked a friend
of hers from a neighbouring

456
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,039
hospital to examine the girl.

457
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,199
Unsurprisingly,
she agreed with the consultant.

458
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,959
Are you claiming that
Professor Bradbury

459
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,559
<font color="
duty to the court?

460
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,999
That's an extremely serious
allegation to make.

461
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,879
What is your evidence for it?

462
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,079
No, I'm not saying that,
I'm just saying that often

463
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,200
colleagues support each other.

464
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,799
<font color="
proceedings concerning

465
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,079
medical treatment for minors,
have you not?

466
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,279
Yes. How many cases where there
is a decision to be made

467
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,319
about the future care of a child?

468
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,559
<font color="

469
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,759
Well, this was just a simple
Google search.

470
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,159
We found evidence of you
contributing to seven trials

471
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,639
on this basis.
Why do you think that is?

472
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,959
I'm happy to help.

473
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,359
<font color="
Not many are, in my profession.

474
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,319
A bit of aggression from them
helps us, to be honest.

475
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,999
What did you recommend,

476
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,800
in all those cases,
for the child involved?

477
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,040
Have you ever recommended that
<font color="

478
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,520
No.

479
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,480
I found evidence they should live.

480
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,360
No further questions.

481
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,479
KATIE: Hey.

482
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,479
I followed you.

483
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,279
Oh.

484
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,359
Well, that's kids for you.

485
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,959
<font color="

486
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,079
next day they're following you
to church.

487
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,479
Go ahead, Mum. Pray.
I'm just... just here.

488
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,840
No, it's OK.

489
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,239
Maybe you'll have a thunderbolt
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490
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Yeah? Maybe I can be saved.

491
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,079
You know they're only doing what
they need to do to win this?

492
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,399
Yeah, I understand that.

493
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,999
I mean, what they're doing,
they're... Dad doesn't...

494
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560
<font color="

495
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,680
Was he the best they could do?

496
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,280
SHE SIGHS I thought...

497
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Would you trust him with Marnie?

498
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,280
No.

499
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,600
I don't think she'd want this.

500
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,519
Sorry.

501
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
I don't.

502
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,040
You're a brave girl.

503
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,240
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504
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,279
Mrs Lloyd,

505
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,840
tell me why you oppose
the hospital in this action.

506
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,399
Because I believe my daughter
should live.

507
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,960
Even though she's in pain?

508
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,879
I don't believe that.

509
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,439
You've seen the reports.
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510
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,039
at Marnie being suctioned,
where it's claimed a clear pain

511
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,439
response has been present.

512
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,799
I've never seen that pain.

513
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
My Lady...
If I'd have seen that pain...

514
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,639
..we wouldn't be here now.

515
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,999
<font color="
to have her own

516
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,640
version of events, counsel.

517
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Why do you think the hospital
disagrees with you?

518
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,719
One...

519
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,999
Er, that's a big question.

520
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,400
Take your time.

521
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,880
I can't... um...

522
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,559
<font color="
that you are encouraged,

523
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,440
as a parent of a
disabled child, to just...

524
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,238
..to just give up.

525
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,999
We had it all through
this... pandemic.

526
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,839
I had friends told that their kids
wouldn't get machines.

527
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,959
<font color="
Marnie safe because if she did get

528
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,960
the damn thing, I didn't know
that she would survive it because...

529
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,519
..I didn't know that she
would get the help...

530
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,960
..to survive.

531
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,639
And then we made it out
<font color="

532
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,160
..and suddenly...

533
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,280
My point is that, um...

534
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,400
..people say that they care about
disabled people, but...

535
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,240
..always, all the time...

536
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,240
..I see different.

537
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,479
Marnie's my, er...

538
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:41,959
<font color="
it's an honour to be her mother.

539
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960
So I've learned
to put my shoulder down.

540
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,320
I just put my shoulder down
and I just...

541
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,600
..I just keep charging.

542
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Ready?

543
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719
You know what you used
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544
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,560
I had something difficult to do?
No.

545
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,999
Mum would tell me to try to be
brave. You told me

546
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,839
I didn't need to try,
I was already brave.

547
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,679
Well, I'm not you.

548
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,359
You want me to come?

549
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,919
<font color="

550
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,560
I will, though, if you want me to.

551
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,200
I can do this on my own.

552
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,920
Are you all right?
Yeah.

553
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,559
Hi. Hi.

554
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,439
I like the smart threads.

555
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,480
New?

556
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,280
Yeah, well... ish.

557
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480
<font color="

558
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Yeah. Well, we better go in.

559
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,600
All rise.

560
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,479
These cases are clearly never easy.

561
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,560
This case particularly so.

562
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,119
I recognise that the strong
presumption in favour

563
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,359
of a course of action that will
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564
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,399
is not an irrebuttable one.

565
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,399
It reflects the position that life,
as precious as it is,

566
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,799
cannot be,
and indeed should not be

567
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,040
preserved at all costs in the face
of its natural conclusion.

568
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,519
<font color="

569
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,799
Marnie Lloyd is clearly
an exceptional, bright,

570
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,799
happy and well-loved child.

571
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,039
And it is plain from Dr Woodham's
evidence, and the evidence

572
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,239
given by Mr and Mrs Lloyd,
that Marnie's parents have been

573
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,839
<font color="
daughter's best interests

574
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,760
over many years,
to her undoubted benefit.

575
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,639
The position adopted by Mrs Lloyd

576
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,319
before the court is
eminently reasonable

577
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,240
and wholly understandable.

578
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,239
<font color="
of the love and dedication

579
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,840
that she and her family have
shown to Marnie throughout her life.

580
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,800
This is a case of huge complication
and immense difficulty.

581
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,919
I'm going to break my thinking
into four areas.

582
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,040
<font color="
So we begin with the evidence...

583
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,679
It's a panic attack. It'll pass.

584
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,519
GASPING: It's just a panic attack.
It'll pass.

585
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,640
I've had them before.

586
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,039
Is he all right?
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587
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,119
He's just having a panic attack.
He's had them before. Thank you.

588
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,159
ANDREW SOBS.

589
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,679
All right. Deep breaths, come on.

590
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,999
You're OK. It's all right.

591
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,359
And so, for all those reasons,

592
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,799
I will make the declaration
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593
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,039
NICCI GASPS, SOBS

594
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,999
...that the continuation
of life-sustaining treatment

595
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,799
is not in Marnie's best interests.

596
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,680
NO SOBS.

597
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,200
INDISTINCT CHATTER.

598
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,479
We'll sort it with Derek and talk
<font color="

599
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,559
Yes, absolutely.

600
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,759
Look, it's hard now, I know, but...

601
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,080
INDISTINCT CHATTER.

602
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,920
Can we go? Let's just go.

603
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,240
HE EXHALES.

604
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,640
DOORBELL.

605
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,320
No, I'll get it.

606
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,439
Hello.
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607
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,040
Is, um...?

608
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,839
Hello.
Hi.

609
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,799
I was just... writing to you.

610
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Saying what?

611
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,239
Sh... shall I leave?

612
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,199
Well, no. We'll just...
We'll go for a walk.

613
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,840
I always like a walk.

614
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,119
<font color="

615
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,400
OK.

616
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,600
They want me to appeal.

617
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,919
Of course they do.

618
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,279
I shouldn't have told them
about your drinking.

619
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,479
I'm ashamed that I did that.
I should... You needed to win.

620
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,080
<font color="
ARE an excellent dad.

621
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,799
I'm not saying you're right,
and I'm not...

622
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,200
But I'm...

623
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,960
But I'm-I'm stopping it.

624
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,240
You're sure?

625
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Morning!

626
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,639
This is an unexpected bounty.

627
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,559
Yeah, well, they're mostly
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628
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,599
What's brought this on?

629
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,040
Um, well, you won't be seeing us
again for a while.

630
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,800
She's a smasher, your Marnie.

631
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,920
I don't want her to die here.

632
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,519
One...

633
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,839
I'm afraid, as I understand it,
she has to.

634
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,799
<font color="

635
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,159
I, um... I asked the same thing,

636
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,639
back at the beginning, I asked
whether we could, you know,

637
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600
get her home, and I was told that
she'd die in the ambulance.

638
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,879
Right.

639
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,079
What they have said is once they've
<font color="

640
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,399
you know, let
her... go... ..um...

641
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,879
..they can put
her in an ambulance for us

642
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,760
and we can get her home then
and put her to bed.

643
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,359
She'd be, er... She'd be dead.

644
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Or, um, well, we could explore
<font color="

645
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Right.

646
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,039
What do you think?

647
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,520
I decided I'd leave that
question to you.

648
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Oh.

649
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,439
Well, thank you for researching it

650
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,720
but... I want us to decide together.

651
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Yeah. Um...

652
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,359
<font color="

653
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,000
I'm not sure on this. Um...

654
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,519
I think Marnie would quite like to

655
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,760
be back in her own bed...

656
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,440
..and, um...

657
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,879
..and I think Marnie would quite
like to be useful, you know,

658
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,560
to other people.

659
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,519
Katie?

660
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,879
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661
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Yes, please.

662
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,560
One...

663
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,920
I think...

664
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,920
I think transplant.

665
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,280
Could they do it quickly?
They could make that happen, yeah.

666
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Well, let's make it happen.

667
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,880
Will we hear it?

668
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,999
<font color="

669
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,600
There might be some breathing.

670
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,599
But will it sound like
she's in pain?

671
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,079
That's unlikely.

672
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,359
Chances are she'll just pass.

673
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,240
Can we call it dying? Not letting
go or passing on, just...

674
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,639
<font color="

675
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,319
With the morphine she's on,

676
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,320
I don't believe she'll
feel any pain.

677
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Have you got anything you want
to say to her?

678
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
I think she knows how I feel.

679
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,320
I love you, Marnie.

680
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,559
I love you, too.

681
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,000
<font color="

682
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,799
I've got something I want to say.

683
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,840
OK.

684
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,200
KATIE WHISPERS.

685
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,360
Are you ready?

686
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,039
Are the transplant team ready?

687
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,279
Yes.

688
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,359
Um, so, um... what will happen?

689
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,439
Once we've taken out
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690
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,599
we'll let her breathe on her own.
She may take a few breaths.

691
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,560
You will have a little
time to hold her.

692
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,639
Then her heart will slow
and then it will stop.

693
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,080
When that happens, we need to get
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694
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,119
OK.

695
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,880
Then I-I think we're ready.

696
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,200
OK.

697
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,440
SOFT BEEPING.

698
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,040
SNIFFLING.

699
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,320
There we go.

700
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,920
There we go, lamb.

701
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,759
Goodnight. Sleep tight.

702
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,000
<font color="

703
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,119
Was that the wrong thing to say?

704
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,200
No.

705
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,600
LIGHTER IGNITES.

706
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Well, I'll, um...

707
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Get in the van.

708
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,680
I don't know where we're going
but we're going there together.

709
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,759
Right?
<font color="

710
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,400
OK. Thanks.

711
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,160
I'm going to miss her... so much.

712
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,880
You know I will too, right?

713
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,800
You even thinking you need
to say that just...

714
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,200
..makes me feel like such
an arsehole.

715
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,960
<font color="
and... ..and that's...

716
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,280
Well, she made us happy, too.
She really did.

717
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,160
REAR DOOR OPENS.

718
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,240
So, where to?

719
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,959
I could be hungry.

720
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,959
You could? Mm.
Well, that's shocking.

721
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,759
<font color="

722
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,359
..the Italian place by the library?

723
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,919
Yeah. Good.

724
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,839
Music? You want some music?

725
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,119
Oh. I, am...

726
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,640
Your dongle, it's, uh... it's busted.

727
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,959
You broke my dongle?

728
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,519
Yeah. Yeah, I snapped it.
<font color="

729
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,359
Well, shall I sing something, then?

730
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,640
KATIE CHUCKLES.

731
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,119
Uh... I've got my music.

732
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,640
Oh, she's got her music.

733
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Let's hear it, then.
All right.

734
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:36,920
MUSIC: 20/20
by Rimon

735
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,759
<font color="

736
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:52,800
♪ Whoa, whoa Woo,
ooh, ooh ♪ Whoa, hmm

737
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:00,199
♪ I see your sunlight through
the window, it's magic, uh

738
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,559
♪ My thoughts and body were just
caught by this traffic, uh

739
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:11,119
♪ You watched time pass while
<font color="

740
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:16,039
♪ Will you forgive now
that I'm paying attention?

741
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:21,919
♪ Uh, I see your sunlight through
the window, it's magic, uh

742
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,319
♪ My thoughts and body were just
caught by this traffic, uh

743
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,239
♪ Where did our time go?

744
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,159
<font color="

745
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:41,160
♪ Only you are the one
to break the shackles of my burden

746
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:47,079
♪ Are the one to show me
glory in the moment

747
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,719
♪ Cannot pay you back

748
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,479
♪ Even if I could, I can
only fall on my knees

749
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,519
<font color="

750
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,599
♪ I see your sunlight through

751
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,759
♪ The window, it's magic, uh

752
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,279
♪ My thoughts and body were just

753
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,399
♪ Caught by this traffic, uh

754
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,359
♪ You watched time pass while

755
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,520
♪ I kept myself distracted. ♪